Saturday, January 09, 2010

A one-sided view about India

PS : I had another post in draft that was going to be my first post for this year that i have been writing bit by bit thru' this week. I was to post it today. But then..I got this fwd this morning...n i couldnt not post it and disucss it here. So before your blood begins to boil Here is wishing each one of you and your near n dear ones a Very Very Happy 2010....One thats full of love, joy and contentment!!

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I don't disagree with all that the author has written. NOR DO I AGREE with him. India is some of what he writes..but its lots more as well. The **good** aspects about our country has conveniently been forgotten.

n "India Doesn't care" makes me want to laugh out loud at the author's ignorance!

I got this Fwd with the subject as "An Interesting Read about India". I diagreed and so changed the subject.

Ur thoughts?

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**Reflections on India**

By Sean Paul Kelley


If you are Indian, or of Indian descent, I must preface this post with a
clear warning: you are not going to like what I have to say. My criticisms
may be very hard to stomach. But consider them as the hard words and loving
advice of a good friend. Someone who's being honest with you and wants
nothing from you. These criticisms apply to all of India except Kerala and
the places I didn't visit, except that I have a feeling it applies to all of
India, except as I mentioned before, Kerala.. Lastly, before anyone accuses
me of Western Cultural Imperialism, let me say this: if this is what India
and Indians want, then hey, who am I to tell them differently. Take what you
like and leave the rest. In the end it doesn't really matter, as I get the
sense that Indians, at least many upper class Indians, don't seem to care
and the lower classes just don't know any better, what with Indian culture
being so intense and pervasive on the sub-continent. But here goes,
nonetheless.

India is a mess. It's that simple, but it's also quite complicated. I'll
start with what I think are India's four major problems--the four most
preventing India from becoming a developing nation--and then move to some of
the ancillary ones.

First, pollution. In my opinion the filth, squalor and all around pollution
indicates a marked lack of respect for India by *Indians.* I don't know how
cultural the filth is, but it's really beyond anything I have ever
encountered. At times the smells, trash, refuse and excrement are like a
garbage dump. Right
next door to the Taj Mahal was a pile of trash that smelled so bad,
was so foul as to almost ruin the entire Taj experience. Delhi, Bangalore
and Chennai to a lesser degree were so very polluted as to make me
physically ill. Sinus infections, ear infection, bowels churning was an all
to common experience in India. Dung, be it goat, cow or human fecal matter
was common *on the streets..* In major tourist areas filth was
everywhere, littering
the sidewalks, the
roadways, you name it. Toilets in the middle of the road, men
urinating
and defecating anywhere, in broad daylight. Whole villages are plastic bag
wastelands. Roadsides are choked by it. Air quality that can hardly be
called quality. Far
too much coal and far to few unleaded vehicles on the road. The
measure
should be how dangerous the air is for one's health, not how good it is.
People casually throw trash in the streets, on the roads. The only two
cities that could be considered sanitary in my journey were Trivandrum--the
capital of Kerala--and Calicut. I don't know why this is. But I can assure
you that at some point this pollution will cut into India's productivity, if
it already hasn't. The pollution will hobble India's growth path, if that
indeed is what the country wants. (Which I personally doubt, as India is far
too conservative a country, in the small 'c' sense.)

*More after the jump.*

The second issue, infrastructure, can be divided into four subcategories:
roads, rails and ports and the electrical grid. The electrical grid is a
joke. Load
shedding is all too common, everywhere in India. Wide swaths of the country
spend much of the day without the electricity they actually pay for. With
out regular electricity, productivity, again, falls. The ports are a joke.
Antiquated, out of date, hardly even appropriate for the mechanized world of
container ports, more in line with the days of longshoremen and the like.
Roads are an equal disaster. I only saw one elevated highway that would be
considered decent in Thailand, much less Western Europe or America. And I
covered fully two thirds of the country during my visit. There are so few
dual carriage way roads as to be laughable. There are no traffic laws to
speak of, and if there are, they are rarely obeyed, much less enforced. A
drive that should take an hour takes three. A drive that should take three
takes nine. The buses are at least thirty years
old, if not older. Everyone
in India, or who travels in India raves about the railway system.
Rubbish. It's awful. Now, when I was there in 2003 and then late 2004 it was
decent. But in the last five years the traffic on the rails has grown so
quickly that once again, it is threatening productivity. Waiting in line
just to ask a question now takes thirty minutes. Routes are routinely sold
out three and four days in advance now, leaving travellers stranded with
little option except to take the decrepit and dangerous buses. At least
fifty million people use the trains *a day* in India. 50 million people! Not
surprising that waitlists of 500 or more people are common now. The rails
are affordable and comprehensive but they are overcrowded and what with
budget airlines popping up in India like Sashes in an ashram the middle and
lowers classes are left to deal with the over utilized rails and quality
suffers. No one seems to give a shit. Seriously, I just never have the
impression that the Indian government really cares. Too interested in buying
weapons from Russia, Israel and the US I guess.

The last major problem in India is an old problem and can be divided into
two parts that've been two sides of the same coin since government was
invented: bureaucracy and corruption. It take triplicates to register into a
hotel. To get a SIM card for one's phone is like wading into a jungle of
red-tape and photocopies one is not likely to emerge from in a good mood,
much less satisfied with customer service. Getting train tickets is a
terrible ordeal, first you have to find the train number, which takes 30
minutes, then you have to fill in the form, which is far from easy, then you
have to wait in line to try and make a reservation, which takes 30 minutes
at least and if you made a single mistake on the form back you go to the end
of the queue, or what passes for a queue in India. The government is
notoriously uninterested in the problems of the commoners, too busy fleecing
the rich, or trying to get rich themselves in some way shape or form. Take
the trash for example, civil rubbish collection authorities are too busy
taking kickbacks from the wealthy to keep their areas clean that they don't
have the time, manpower, money or interest in doing their job. Rural
hospitals are perennially understaffed as doctors pocket the fees the
government pays them, never show up at the rural hospitals and practice in
the cities instead.

I could go on for quite some time about my perception of India and its
problems, but in all seriousness, I don't think anyone in India really
cares. And that, to me, is the biggest problem. India is too conservative a
society to want to change in any way. Mumbai, India's financial capital is
about as filthy, polluted and poor as the worst city imaginable in Vietnam,
or Indonesia--and being more polluted than Medan, in Sumatra is no easy
task. The biggest rats I have ever seen were in Medan!

One would expect a certain amount of, yes, I am going to use this word,
backwardness, in a country that hasn't produced so many Nobel Laureates,
nuclear physicists, imminent economists and entrepreneurs. But India has all
these things and what have they brought back to India with them? Nothing.
The rich still have their servants, the lower castes are still there to do
the dirty work and so the country remains in stasis. It's a shame. Indians
and India have many wonderful things to offer the world, but I'm far from
sanguine that India will amount to much in my lifetime..

Now, have at it, call me a cultural imperialist, a spoiled child of the West
and all that. But remember, I've been there. I've done it. And I've seen 50
other countries on this planet and none, not even Ethiopia, have as long and
gargantuan a laundry list of problems as India does. And the bottom line is,
I don't think India really cares. Too complacent and too conservative.

16 comments:

SJ said...

Ooooh Ethiopia is better than India? Wow thanks Sean for your insight. I am so glad I moved out of that hell hole called India and live in this paradise -US where to get a appointment with a female gyn. takes 2 months and to get a crown done on your teeth costs 1650$ (the cost to India -round trip is 1250$), the public transport here is so awesome, wait 40mins for a bus but it will never turn up. Half of them think Barack Obama is related to Osama, I am so honored to be living with such brilliant people.

Sean I would love to meet you in person - I have some gobar to throw on your face.
With lots of love,
Your fan!

Shruti said...

I hate law and order. More so now, after reading this.
Life is much easier in chaos.
Better to live in a place where u dont have to fix appointments with ur parents for dinner.
What is life without some delight in disorder?

Vrijilesh Rai said...

A little over the top article, but one pertinent point that stands out is that 'we dont care' what happens to anyone and everyone and everything around us.. we are too bothered about ourselves. I guess its a sequela of the high population density in the country and the low income of half of this countrymen.

One pet topic of mine.. Railways. Maybe the author needs to login to a few travel websites to know that booking a rail ticket is more easier and transparent than booking a flight!

Ranjani said...

Ok seriously this person is deluded and has no business writing this stuff simply because he is not of Indian descent and clearly has it in for all of us brown people! The post is poorly informed, badly researched and full of generalizations and irked me to no end Pavi!

rayshma said...

okay... aside from this being a very biased view... i think he does have a few valid points. the thing is, if these points were made by an indian, i'd pay more attention to them.
for words coming from someone who is totally alien to that culture, i don't think i would pay attention to his ramblings. it's like most "foreigners", who visit a country, take pictures of cattle on the street, trash, slums, beggars and portray them in their country as india. it IS india, yes. but it's not the only india. and forming an opinion about a country after spending a few months or even a few years there, is something that i don't think is fair.
it would be like me calling all americans daft because some of them don't know that the world comprises of countries other than US, Canada and Mexico. not fair, right?!

broca's area said...

india is always india...love it:D...

Rho Tau GWIS said...

Sadlt, this is the reality of India. I know its difficult to hear it from an outsider but it is the truth! Yes, there are many wonderful things about India, but sometimes, a lot of those gems are overpowered by the bad 'stuff'.
One thing that continues to bother me is that the rich people keep getting richer, and the poor people stay the same. The only thing that will change the country for the better is if the people actually start caring..which is the blatant truth.

Ankur said...

I guess most of the stuff he wrote is true.. isnt?
and i agree with ur statement and i do the same. neither disagree nor agree.

Everyone has a point of view and we should respect that, and we know there are some problems (rather a lot).

You know there was a time when i used to object when ppl used to call Indians abroad "Desi"... but now i have seen it and i believe it. We cant change, even when we earn good money, some ppl just remain like that. They try to bribe policeman. They try to save even while eating.. shucks!!!
and there are a lot many things why we called Desi... and the typical of those is attitude.

but not digressing from topic... I accept that my country has some shortcomings but there are a lot many other things which u cant find anywhere in the world. still that doesnt stops me saying this that we gotta change. If we wanna live a better life and give a better life to our fellow Indians... we gotta change!

Pavi!!!! said...

@SJ: welcome here. ya, he deserves the kinda reply for u...'coz there is so much of arrogance in tht ignorant speech of his!

Pavi!!!! said...

@shruti: see...having lived here..i will say that i dream n hope for a day when the infrastructure in india will be half as good as wat it is here. But that being said..i wouldnt trade the indian family values for anything else.so ya. some disorder doesnt need to be reacted to like this!

Pavi!!!! said...

@Vrij.. this is one thing he cant generalize about. We do care. not all of us. not all the time. but someone does care..sometime or the other!
i wish he brought up the airline topic...oh wait, he prolly cldnt coz hes experienced the worst..rite here in the US.

Pavi!!!! said...

@Ranjani: "full of generalizations , badly researched"..u cldnt hv said it better!

@rayRay: forget points being made by an india..if it was made by sum1 who seemed like they cared and the intention wasnt just to insult..i wld have listened n mabbe agreed. Btu here...all i can feel is his arrogance!

Pavi!!!! said...

@Broca: me too..i love my country..my HOME!

@CG: hey, how u been?!
see my response to Rayray. my issue with this speech is not that its frm an outsider. Really. its just that he has failed to notice anything +ve abt the country n thats not done. ALL countries have +ve n -ves. one must see both.
capitalism..really, dont u see that here as well?
n rgdg to people caring, pls see my response to Vrij. ppl do care..sometime or the other..not everyone..but yet..someone does!

Ranjani said...

How did the cauliflower Manchurian turn out?

Cosmic Joy said...

Are we not all behaving just like the author describes most indians (especially upper income class) as people who don't care?

He brings up four issues: filth, corruption, infrastructure and uncaring attitude of the common man. And I, with my 23 years spent in India, cannot agree with him more.

He does not say these issues dont exist elsewhere. He does say that India has the worst track record on these four issues than any other country.

How many of us can claim we have travelled several dozen countries to make this analysis? The author apparently has.

And before criticizing him, think for a second. Think of the issues that have been raised, rather than shoot the messenger. What have we done on our part to improve upon or resolve these issues? I know the one thing most of us have done .. and that is to emigrate to the west. Sad but true :(

Pramod J said...

I don't disagree with message of the author, though I feel he has been extremely harsh...

Some Facts:
'Don't spit chewing/bubble gum in toilets'. A big print out reads in each urinal (Men's) in a MNC in Bengaluru... Everyday, I see IT people getting rid of the bus tickets on the footpath/road while getting out of the bus... AND to top that, I do not stop them from doing that.. :)
Doesn't these speak a little about our/my attitude...(Author has called it the Indian Attitude)